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>> i have no idea. >> have you ever done it? >> i have actually never done it. i don't think i ever will. especially after this. >> not that you would ever admit it. thank you, andy. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts now. hello. i'm kate bolduan. john berman is off today. this morning, trump tower will go from gold to silicon. its leaders from nearly a dozen top technology companies including apple, google, microsoft and facebook set to sit down with the president-elect about bringing tech jobs back to america, amid grumblings that long-time trump loyalists are getting iced out from key positions in the administration. but one new position has been announced. congressman ryan zinke of montana, a former navy s.e.a.l., chosen as secretary of the interior. about that, new details this
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morning on the role one of donald trump's sons has played in that very selection process'. let's go to sunlen serfaty live in washington watching all of this. what are we hearing about this interior selection? not really the person, but the person who did the interviews? >> reporter: that's right. it seems that donald trump's son, don jr., was heavily involved in kind of getting donald trump to make this decision when he's considering potential cabinet secretaries. most notably for interior secretary. we know according to a source that donald jr. personally held and conducted some interviews for this very important cabinet post. add to that we also know, according to a source, that eric trump, his other son, sat in recently on meetings that donald trump had with mitt romney as they were going through this very public audition for potentially secretary of state. all this of course, the fact you have the involvement of two sons in these top decision-making
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meetings really speaks not only to the closeness they continue to have with their father but the fact they are advising him in some informal capacity during the transition and that notably is one of the main reasons all these red flags have been raised and big questions over what their role will be going forward once their father takes the white house come january. as you know, there was a press conference that was scheduled for new york tomorrow. that has been postponed. but trump was set to address some of these conflicts of interest, especially since he is set to hand over control of his businesses to his two adult sons. >> that press conference has not yet been rescheduled. real quick, what are you hearing, house democrats say they are hearing from a federal agency that handles federal leases, that trump is going to be in breach of his lease on his new hotel in d.c. the moment he's sworn in. what is going on there? >> reporter: that's right. this centers around the fact that trump's d.c. hotel just steps away from the white house sits on property that he leases from the government.
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so the gsa, general services administration, says he would be in breach of the contract the day he becomes president because according to the lease, the exact language is no member or delegate of congress or elected official of the government of the united states shall be admitted to any share or part of this lease. so trump, as president, oversees the gsa, he would essentially become the landlord and the tenant in this sort of situation. we know according to transition officials they have no word yet on what the move is, they will just address this in a conference call and said they would not comment on it yet, and this would be addressed in this forthcoming press conference potentially in january. >> okay. the questions continue, then. thank you, sunlen. appreciate it. let's go from trump tower to wall street. and a potential -- the potential of a historic milestone. cnn's chief business correspondent christine romans, host of "early start." the magic number is 20,000. why is everyone watching this?
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why is it so important? >> can i tell you, 19 days ago the dow crossed 19,000 for the first time. 19 days ago. now here we are so close to 20,000. the reason is -- the reason it's not there quite yet, waiting to hear what the fed says later about interest rates. in general you have a big stock market rally under way, you have ceos who say they are confident about sales and hiring next year, an economy that's been moving forward so you have the dow jones industrial average coming up on 20,000. when you look at the data, 4.6% unemployment, economic growth averaging 180,000 a month this year, gdp, strongest in two and a half years, inflation getting a little bit, not much, but a little bit more, all of these reasons why the market is doing well and why the fed might move. >> why now? why would the fed move today? >> because the fed was not convinced. we had brexit earlier this year, we had softness in the u.s. economy, remember, in the beginning of the winter and the spring time. the fed wasn't convinced. so it raised interest rates last
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december. we thought there would be three or four more hikes this year and we didn't get it. now you have a new president who will be coming in. you have the prospect of new pro-growth policies. you also have all this on the docket that is telling the fed it doesn't want to be behind the curve. it wants to make sure the economy doesn't overheat and the economy is heating up. >> but what does this mean for everybody? like i hear inflation, we all hear inflation. what does it mean? >> higher interest rates. if the fed raises interest rates, we will know in three hours if they will raise interest rates and i expect they will. almost everyone expects they will. it means you will spend more on a new mortgage, new car loan. on the debt you already have on a credit card. interest rates make borrowing costs higher. let me give you a real world example. say you have a mortgage of 4.2%. $250,000 mortgage. this is what you pay every month. the total cost of that loan is $440,000. flash forward, the fed raises interest rates, mortgage rates continue to rise and you have a 4.5% mortgage.
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now your monthly payment is $1267. you have the total cost of a loan that is $16,000 more. with the fed hiking interest rates, it's a sign of strength in the economy, a sign the fed expects inflation to grow. they are going to put the brakes on a little bit. i would say they have pedal to the metal for so long trying to support the economy, now they are taking their foot off a little bit. that will raise borrowing costs for businesses and consumers. if you are a saver, this is great news. all the people who have been complaining about a bubble in the stock market and savers have been screwed for the past five years, now people who save money, savings will be more attractive. it might put a little, take a little shine off the stock market but overall, the forecast for the stock market to continue to rise at least in the very near term and for interest rates to slowly start to creep up. >> fed will act and everyone's looking at 20,000 in the dow. all right. there we go. big headlines. great to see you. thank you so much. all right. so one democratic congressman is calling it a political witch
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hunt. the department of energy rejecting a request by trump's transition team to hand over the names of employees who have worked on climate change initiatives. there are late developments on this as well. athena jones is live at the white house watching all this. the white house reacted. they were not mincing words with this one but there are new details about what exactly happened with that questionnaire going to the energy department. what are you picking up? >> reporter: right. a few developments this morning. we have heard from press secretary josh earnest saying look, this looks like an attempt to maybe target career civil servants just for doing the job they are supposed to do. we have heard from the energy department, a union representative there talking about employees being concerned about keeping their jobs, and being able to pursue the science with he said independence and integrity. and we have a letter from two members of congress, i have it right here, they isn't a letter to vice president-elect mike pence who of course is heading up or leading the trump transition team, asking for a lot of information about this memo, this questionnaire.
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they are saying they are concerned this is creating an idealogical litmus test for civil servants to keep their jobs even if they have, there may be concern about keeping their jobs if they differ in their views on things like climate change. differ from the views of the incoming trump administration. that letter, they said any effort to retaliate against, undermine, demote or marginalize civil servants on the basis of their scientific analysis would be an abuse of authority. these congressmen want more information. the trump transition team has responded to all of this saying the questionnaire was not authorized or part of our standard protocol. the person who sent it has been properly counseled. we will wait to see what develops there. kate? >> absolutely. great to see you. thank you so much. joining me, steve cortes, former campaign adviser for donald trump. patti solis-doyle, campaign manager for hillary clinton's 2008 presidential bid.
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ari fleischer, former press secretary under president george w. bush and sara murray, rock star political reporter is here as well. ari, we were just listening to athena jones talk about this questionnaire that went to the energy department. the white house saying flat out that it could end up -- could lead to targeting of civil servants. the transition now says it was not an authorized, it was an unauthorized questionnaire that was sent over. you have been involved in a transition. how does that happen? how does an unauthorized questionnaire get to the energy department? >> because you are drinking from so many fire hoses at the same time and a lot of people are new to it, thrown into a transition, don't have supervisory roles set up yet. i had a feeling that's what it was. it was a mistake, shouldn't be done. civil service needs to be protected from this. political employees -- >> that's the difficulty. >> civil servants should be protected. i'm glad to see the trump presidential election came out and said wrong, it shouldn't have happened.
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>> patti, the white house did not mince words on this. i do wonder if the energy department kind of feels spooked right now, that this questionnaire even made it over there. don't look at me like that. >> look, it's a mistake. if this is the worst mistake we make -- >> don't pretend i'm blowing this out of proportion. i'm asking questions. >> but if this is the worst mistake we make, the trump transition team makes, that would be justified. this was a low level mistake. when i look at the leadership of the energy department, my good friend rick perry i think will be an amazing secretary of energy coming from our most successful energy state and the leader of that state for 14 years. it was the only job creation mecca during the worst times of the economy nationally. i'm very confident we will have fabulous leadership in energy. this was a minor stumble along the way. >> a minor stumble, patti. okay. fine. sara, let's talk about the interior department which by the way doesn't get a lot of attention most of the time but it's going to get a lot more right now.
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i'm from the midwest. we don't talk about the interior department much. what do you think it does? you are from a hockunting state. you would know. don jr. sitting down interviewing candidates to be secretary of the interior. >> don jr. is an avid outdoorsman, a hunter. he was interviewing potential candidates for interior secretary. we are also learning eric trump was in at least one of the meetings where they met with mitt romney for secretary of state. the transition campaign was very dismissive of this, saying both kids are on the transition team, it shouldn't be a surprise to see they are involved in some of these decisions, but i think the concern here is of course that both eric trump and don jr. are still running the business or still making day-to-day decisions and the belief is that
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even if donald trump steps back from the business, his sons will still be taking the lead at the same time as they are involved in these meetings and making decisions about very high level cabinet picks. now, while there may not be conflict of interest rules for donald trump, that doesn't necessarily extend to his kids. i think one of the things that we are sort of waiting to see how hard donald trump's advisers impress upon him is look, if you don't draw clearer, brighter lines on this, this is a story that's going to continue to follow you when you are in the white house and when you would rather be talking about things like tax reform infrastructure. the question will be whether your kid was in a meeting that led to a contract that then benefited a trump organization company. >> one of the many reasons why the questions continue to mount rather than go away is that donald trump has not made this long-awaited announcement on what he will do and how he will separate his business. even though we can infer something -- >> i think it makes sense that he looks to his children for advice. we saw that throughout the
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campaign. they played significant roles in the campaign for him and it was a successful campaign so again, why fix something that ain't broke. >> there are laws against that. >> the overall theme of the transition has been conflict of interest, whether it's the trump children or trump himself or even the nominee for secretary of state with his ties to russia. exxonmobil stands to make billions and billions of dollars if the sanctions on russia are lifted. so seems like this whole transition is just common theme is conflict of interest. that's a problem. >> if you know you are up against common theme conflict of interest, is there no one else to sit down with candidates for secretary of the interior? no one else to conduct these interviews? steve, i'm sure you're available. >> of course. they are sitting down with other people. but patti's right, he clearly very much values the counsel of his children. he has for decades in his business and he certainly did during the campaign. i think he will as president. he shouldn't be deprived of that. >> except there are laws. sorry. there is a statute, i'm saying
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this for all of you, there's a statute, if they're running the biz, even if they're not running the biz they can't be advising him formally or informally. >> this is a unique situation. we never elected a citizen president, somebody who wasn't already in government or the military. having an entrepreneur and businessman take over ace president presents a lot of unique challenges, lot of opportunities, too, but that's why president-elect trump was very clear that he postponed the press conference not because he wants to delay the issue but because he wants to make sure he gets it exactly right. how he's going to delineate between what's in the best interest of the trump organization and what's in the best interest of the country. >> you do think it is necessary that he's very clear to the country how he's going to make that delineation? >> yes. absolutely. >> arari, one of the problems that's arising with this unique president-elect is that the day he gets sworn in, he may very well be in breach of a lease on his new hotel. general services administration
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saying it's part of the lease, i was reading it. what would you advise they do about this? >> i would advise everybody, take a deep breath and let's figure this out over a period of months. what's important here, is people don't rush to too many conclusions because you don't want to send a signal if you have been in private business and own a privately held company, there's no place in government for you. we need to figure this out. i think it will take time. there are so many tangles and complications. one thing that has to be true is if i'm donald trump, i don't want neutral people, people who aren't for or against me to question whether i'm ever making a decision on the basis of whether it's good for the country or for my bottom line. he always needs people to say, he did it because it's good for the country. to the degree these things are nagging at him it's going to be a distraction, he should get rid of. people should also not jump to conclusions that it's wrong, unethical. they need to take time to unwind and figure it out. take gsa. does it really present a huge conflict of interest if there are heads on beds who pay $300 a night and that for a guy worth
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$10 billion will change a decision? no. it might influence the people who run the general services administration that holds the lease to think is my boss the president going to differ if i do something. you have to have ethical lines. you have to get it right. it's going to take time. i love the fact there are private sector people in government. it is healthy, it's a change from career politicians and lawyers. >> what are you hearing within the transition, how seriously they take kind of the tangled web they are up against right now about conflict of interest on several different levels? >> i think the indication on the one hand, we would like to know sooner rather than later what donald trump is going to do but on the other hand the fact they pushed this press conference to january is an indication they have realized this is maybe more serious, more complicated than they initially realized. i do think they saw the onslaught of stories saying look, if donald trump just says i'm going to take myself out of day to day operations and puts his kids in charge and they are sitting in cabinet meetings, that's probably not going to go far enough. i know there are advisers talking to him and trying to
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explain that and trying to say while you may be within the bounds of the law, do you really want to spend the first one or two years of your presidency, the peak time to get things done in congress, answering questions about how something you did may relate to your business decisions because if you want to be an effective president that's probably not how you want to be spending your time. i think those are the discussions that are ongoing right now. certainly, as ari said, this will not be a super-easy thing for lawyers to unwind. >> it will be a super-interesting press conference when we do get it. tell you that much. great to see you. thank you so much. next, a movement for a bit of an end run to block donald trump on the electoral college when members of the electoral college meet next week. what's the plan? is there any chance it will work? plus, breaking news. cease-fire in aleppo broken. tens of thousands of families and children trapped as bombs go off once again. we'll be right back.
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new details on what and when the obama administration knew about russian hacks during the election and why officials didn't respond publicly sooner. one reason is according to our reporting, they didn't want to give donald trump a reason to cry foul after what they were certain would be a hillary clinton victory in the election. of course, after donald trump's win, the tables have turned. democrats are suggesting russian hackers helped trump win the election. let's bring in cnn justice correspondent evan perez. you have fascinating reporting on exactly what they knew, when and why there was a delay. >> that's right. it's one of those hindsight questions democrats are asking, why didn't president obama respond more forcefully to the russian hacks targeting
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democrats. six months ago in july, law enforcement intelligence agencies were sure the russian government was behind these hacks that were targeting the democratic national committee. but over the next three months, the white house and other government agencies debated over exactly how to respond. some officials in the intelligence agencies warned that the u.s. risked starting a wider cyberconflict with russia in which the u.s. had a lot more to lose. the state department was also worried about keeping russia at the negotiating table over the war in syria. as the months went by and wikileaks kept releasing documents only on democrats, obama administration officials also were confident that the russians were actually trying to hurt hillary clinton's campaign and therefore, trying to get donald trump elected. white house officials were also worried that publicly outing russia would appear to be an effort to help hillary clinton. the fact is, administration officials were sure that donald trump was going to lose and they were worried about giving him any reason to call the election results into question. the irony now is that democrats
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are the ones that are angry about what exactly, what they think was a russian operation that cost them the election and some blame the white house for not doing something earlier. >> fascinating. great reporting. thank you so much. let's continue to talk about the election and the election result. one democratic congressman has a message for members of the electoral college. he is asking, begging, pleading them to rethink voting for donald trump when they meet to make that selection next week. it's basically a last ditch effort possibly to change the outcome of the election. let's talk now with democratic congressman jim himes. good to see you. thank you for coming in. you are calling for members of the electhe l electoral college meet next week to basically overturn the will of the people. how is that okay? >> i'm not asking them necessarily to overturn the will of the people but to consider why they exist and to consider the question of whether in alexander hamilton's phase and hamilton is one of the reasons
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we have an electoral college, donald trump is temperamentally suited to be president. make no mistake, this is not a partisan thing. yes, i supported hillary clinton but all of donald trump's partisan ideas, repealing the aca, building the wall, that stuff is inbounds. what is not inbounds, what is way out of bounds, is running an international business empire, not doing what you need to do to avoid conflict of interest. what is not inbounds is criticizing the cia and intelligence community in a dangerous world and standing up for the kremlin. it's not inbound to tweet lies about two to three million fraudulent votes. all of these things raise questions about whether this man is temperamentally fit to be president of the united states. >> but congressman -- >> i don't think there's a high probability of success. that's why the electoral college exists. >> i want to get to that probability in one second. you call him temperamentally unsuited to be president. that was the line of the campaign for hillary clinton.
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that was decided on november 8th. elections have consequences. how is this not a partisan issue? >> as a legal matter, it was not decided on november 8th. a president by law is made in this country by the electoral college coming together next week to cast their ballots and then the electoral college results are ratified in the congress of the united states. that's how this country elects presidents. by the way, i'm happy to have the conversation if that's a good way to elect presidents. it's a little uncomfortable when you elect presidents who don't have a majority of the popular vote as has happened three times. but no, what happened on november 8th was an election in which the majority of americans said they did not want donald trump as president. forget about that. that's not the important thing. the important thing is we have something called an electoral college and -- >> this is the system we work with. tell me what you think, what is the percentage chance you think this is going to work? >> i think it's a very very low probability. >> how about zero? how about zero? >> well, i can't tell you if
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it's zero or 5% but it's a low probability thing. i think there's a pretty significant chance that a year from now, we look back and say oh, my god, how did we get to this place and was there anything we could have done to avoid it. >> because people, this is the system we work within and the country elected donald trump as president. >> mind you, what i'm proposing is exactly the system as it is set up by the constitution. i'm not proposing anything here that is extralegal. we have an electoral college. the electoral college is made up of people who have judgment. i'm just saying the electoral college should exercise its judgment. >> congressman, you sit on the house intel committee. we were just hearing from evan perez talking about a lot of new reporting out about how much and when the white house knew about russian hacks and russian attempts to interfere in our election. the reasons why according to the reporter the white house didn't respond publicly sooner are the following. fear of starting a cyberwar. fear that it would hurt talks
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between the u.s. and russia with regard to syria. and fear it would give donald trump ammunition in his argument of a rigged election. is that good enough reason for you? do you think the white house messed up here? >> first of all, i heard your reporter say something or you say something, there aren't a lot of democrats running around who say the russian cyberhacking which did occur and the russians did it, that it had a clear effect on the election. that's not been established. while it is true that the russians hacked into the dnc and a whole bunch of other people and institutions, it's not 100% clear, i sit on the committee and heard the testimony, it's not 100% clear what the motives were. it's not clear although some people in the intelligence community think that it is, that they were there to help donald trump. that needs to be established. yes, it's been frustrating to see the white house not respond against russia. they had their reasons for doing so. they said if we get into an accelerating tit for tat with the russians that could be destabilizing going into an elect. i don't know if that's right or
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wrong. what i do know is the russian hacking occurred. republicans and democrats are coming together on capitol hill to form a group to investigate exactly what happened there. >> congressman himes, thank you so much for coming in. >> thanks, kate. coming up for us, as families suffer and send out final messages as we speak, the cease-fire in aleppo has now collapsed. the new onslaught of bombingses under way happening right now. we will get you the latest from there. plus as this happens, the u.s. says the coalition has killed 75% of isis fighters. what does this mean when donald trump takes over as commander in chief?
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breaking news, families who are hopeful to finally escape aleppo, syria are now trapped once again as the cease-fire, the very temporary cease-fire appears to be collapsing right now. up to 50,000 civilians cannot escape. they are trapped and around them, above them, shots, bombs, as pro-government forces are pushing in and on to the city. i want to show you the very latest tweet coming from the mother of the 7-year-old girl that everyone has been following, tweeting out their final messages. she and her family are documenting their struggle to survive. here's the latest from the mother. she writes dear world, there's intense bombing right now. why are you silent? why, why, why? fear is killing me and my kids. let's go to nick paton-walsh in beirut. what is the latest update on the cease-fire in aleppo? is it completely gone?
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>> reporter: it appears shelling is continuing. there's no sign that this cease-fire, it's a complicated way to describe it, appears to be pausing to let those thousands of people trapped in an ever-shrinking area of rebel territory, to let them out and head towards rebel-held areas northwest of aleppo. that never really got under way at all. the biggest question here is how many people are still trapped in that area. an estimate from the u.n. special envoy suggested 1500 fighters in the midst as well, a large part of those possibly related to al qaeda. showing tu complicayou the comp of radicalism and innocent civilia civilians. as this roller coaster played out, hours ago we were thinking potentially this part of aleppo had been seized by the government and russian allies but would let the rebels and civilians with them out including a clean road, safe passage to a safe area. that fell apart.
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it's unclear, in circumstances like this people rethink what's going ou but none of this has slowed the international rhetoric. it is just words, frankly. the north is not powerful or potent enough to intervene and stop this. you heard very harsh words. the u.n. security council last night. >> are truly incapable of shame? is there literally nothing that can shame you? is there no act of barbarrism against civilians no, execution of a child that gets under your skin that just creeps you out a little bit? is there nothing you will not lie about? or justify? >> reporter: obviously the russians have said they are tired of hearing the united states whine about the syrian conflict. many syrians frankly are also tired of the rhetoric with the
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absence of concrete action. the west has been unwilling to get involved, particularly in this messy fight for aleppo. such a complex mix among rebel ranks for them to try and arm. we are seeing what many consider unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe. certainly in a syrian war but also a turning point frankly territorially for what five years ago started as a revolution. >> turkey's president is planning to meet with russian president vladimir putin today. obviously thistopic. what can be accomplished, do you think? >> reporter: well, turkey has made it clear they want to ensure this humanitarian corridor out of eastern aleppo goes through, that people get out. that's partly because of turkey's regional role of protecting the sunni in the region. sunni country itself, many of the rebels fighting against the assad regime are sunni, too. remember, about a year ago,
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erdogan was at loggerheads with russia. perhaps he's looking to president putin to put pressure on syria and assure that evacuation actually goes through. we are down to the wire here, really, perhaps a sense of the goo geopolitical deals being doneli the ground. this is a turning point in the war in terms of rebel losses but it will be one of the more seismic massacres here. if the killing stops here it doesn't mean this chapter is finished. we are hearing the taliban in afghanistan condemning what they consider to be the massacre in aleppo. this will go on in the minds of jihadists and disenfranchised angry sunni muslims across the world in years to come, as a totem of how brutal the syrian war has been, how little the international community seem to care to actually intervene and stop it. >> just standing by and watching. great to see you.
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thank you so very much. as this is all happening inside syria, a u.s. official says this. at least 75% of isis fighters have been killed during the u.s.-led air strikes against the brutal terrorist group. now isis has roughly 15,000 battle-ready fighters. joining me on this is eli eliselabatt. this seems a significant number. >> they are at its lowest number in iraq and syria as it's ever been. you heard the envoy to the coalition against isis, after meeting with the president and his national security cabinet yesterday, talking about the successes but also acknowledging there's a lot left to go. take a listen. >> we are having tremendous success against this enemy. it is accelerating. we are now putting pressure on its two so-called capitals of mosul and raqqah but this remains an unpre presprecedente.
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this fight is not over. it will remain a multi-year effort. >> reporter: multi-year effort because they still want to go after the self-proclaimed capital of raqqah. that's yet to come. when you look at the proliferation of isis cells and supporters and lone wolf attacks across europe, even here in the united states, that still is a very big problem. but he did talk about some success they have had to that end, that they did go after three leaders in raqqah, syria that were involved in the attacks in paris and planning attacks in brussels. those three leaders were killed. so they are making great gains against isis and its leaders on the battlefield in iraq and syria, but isis still remains a threat not only in the middle east but also to europe and the united states. >> very soon, donald trump will be taking on and heading up the mission to battle isis. great to see you. thank you. so donald trump is also hosting today who's who of tech executives at trump tower. one big name is missing.
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ask your doctor about lyrica. bill gates, anna winter, kanye, that's right. i like kanye. ray lewis. we have had so many people to come up and they want to be part of what we're doing. >> that was donald trump continuing his as he calls it his thank you tour last night in wisconsin. today, he's meeting with tech executives. for more on the transition, let's bring in sean spicer, chief strategist communications director for the rnc working very very closely with the transition. sean, the tech summit today, if you will, why was twitter's jack
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door dorsey not invited? >> you have apple, facebook, uber. it's not a request of who's in. look, there are people who are big companies, big names, you can go through the list of silicon valley and figure out who didn't make it. this is an initial list of people who got together who wanted to sit down with mr. trump, talk about his ageneral take, his vision, how what they are doing in silicon valley, in technology, could fit into that. >> considering how much donald trump has an affinity for twitter, does he not think -- >> i can go down the list. i'm sure we will have follow-up meetings and jack dorsey could join us. but at some point you look at the list of people, it's pretty amazing. if you want to figure out who didn't get invited, we can quibble about the other tech executives. i choose to focus on the number of people who are there. oracle, facebook, uber, you name it. these are people as you know who weren't exactly friendly towards mr. trump during the campaign. as we have seen, not just yesterday but today, in the last
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couple weeks, he's bringing in people from industry, from government, enemies, foes, democrats, republicans, independents to bring the best ideas and best thoughts forward to make this country better. >> that's why i asked. if that's the mix, why not? >> because we are a country of 320 million people. at some point you can't fit everybody in but he's doing his best. he's held over 90 meetings with people that could potentially fill, 70 world leaders. >> here's a few things we know. we know that don jr. interviewed candidates for secretary of the interior. we know that eric trump sat in on meetings or at least a meeting with mitt romney. we know ivanka trump sat in on a meeting with the japanese prime minister. we know jared kushner handled invitations for this tech summit. is this the level of family involvement that the country should expect going forward? >> let's keep going with what else you know. which is every one of those people was listed on the transition team website. they have all been named sign orpart of it.
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this is a totally transparent process. the people he's trusted, he's made it very clear how much he values the input of his family. he put their names on the transition committee. >> is that -- so -- >> there's a big difference -- as he continues into government, there will be some discussions about what roles everyone will play whether with the business as he talked about with don and eric or ivanka and jared but bottom line, he's been clear from day one with the role his family plays and the trust he has in them in terms of guiding decisions. >> if his sons are going to run the company, which he at least has said in a tweet, why are they involved with deciding cabinet positions? >> they are not involved in deciding. every decision -- >> why are they involved -- >> let me answer the question. every decision is ultimately made by donald trump. look at the folks today. you could argue the tech titans are coming in and giving him advice and opinions, ultimately he will make every decision. >> they are not family members. >> they have an interest in what happens with the government. >> they are not family members
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of his. >> sure, but i get they are not family members, but he's been unbelievably transparent in the role his family will play in this. i think from day one. not just recently. since going back to that debate in august of last year, he was very clear of the role the family was going to play in the campaign and the government and in his business. >> he did not say what role they were going to play in government. he said in the debate, he said in the debate he said i'm going to run the government, you guys have fun with it and run the business. that's what he said. >> he put every one of them on the transition team, made it clear they would be part of this process. >> do you understand how people could see real problems with conflict of interest with his family members? >> conflicts of interest -- >> ties between a trump white house and the business? >> conflicts of interest arise when you are sneaky about it, shady about it. >> this exists. >> no, no. if you tell everyone here's what's going on, here's the process, here are the people playing a role, that's being transparent. what we have seen in government for so often is people have been shady about their roles, hidden
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things, not released things. every one of these things, we have a camera, for goodness' sake, every single person who enters trump tower, you see them go up, come down, they talk to the press. >> having a camera in the elevator bank of trump tower does not negate conflict of interest. >> at some point the level of transparency exceeded any modern president in terms of who's involved -- >> that's not true. >> who else? have you ever seen -- >> there's a level of transparency that relates to his businesses. there are so man questions because we have not seen his tax returns and i know we never will. i know we never will. don't claim he's the most transparent president-elect of all time. >> i did not say that. i said this process. again, you keep trying to -- i said the process. every person we have a call every morning, talk about who he's meeting with, they come down, we can see them go in and out. he talked to everyone that's been involved in transition process. he listed everyone on his family. he talked about the role they would have. >> so this is the level, just to be clear, this is the level of
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involvement, two people who are going to run his business are also going to be advising the president. >> of course, at this phase right now, his sons and his daughter and son-in-law have played a very important role. they will continue to provide counsel to him. ultimately he's always the decider. to the fact, look at what his approval -- >> you have no fear of the antinepotism law? >> his approval rating has risen 20 points, his negative has gone down. >> approval ratings? >> you asked is this what the american people want. obviously they have been very clear about the process and they actually like it. they like the choices he's making, the quality and caliber of the people he's brought into for his cabinet, they like the diversity, the thought. i get it will never be enough with donald trump. at what point is it going to be enough? >> that's taking a step too far. there's a very basic question of the level of involvement donald trump's children are going to have in the white house. >> for some, yes -- >> there are laws in the books against this. >> he will follow every one of them. >> so don jr. and eric trump are
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not going to have any -- not going to advise the president? >> he will lay out the process by which he will focus on this country and leave his business to others to run. >> here's i think you can appreciate this, the reason why there are so many questions is because he has not, he promised to make an announcement and that's been pushed back. when will he announce how he will clearly split between his business -- >> in january. before the inauguration. no president in history has ever owned so many iconic properties. >> hence why there are so many questions and conflicts of interest. >> we are sitting down with lawyers and accountants and making sure it's crystal clear. he doesn't have to do this. the law is clear he doesn't have a conflict of interest. >> donald trump doesn't have, but conflict of interests that would exist, the involvement of his children, there are laws on the books against this. >> he will have all of this laid out before he takes the oath of office. what has happened is he has chosen to focus on getting a cabinet and personnel up and running so that on day one, real
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change comes to washington. that's been his priority. he's outpacing every president in modern history not just with the number but you look at the quality of people that have come through those doors and he has announced from business, from government, from the military, from academic, top of their class in every single pick. he's focused on that. what he will have time for in january once the lawyers and accountants sit down, they will present a plan to him that -- >> habeen worked out? >> an extensive business throughout the world with various properties. it takes time. >> and because of the terms of the lease, they mow elected officials can be part of the deal and will clearly be an elected official. what is the president-elect going to do about that? >> fills into what i just said. go through, sit down with
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accountants and lawyers, focusing on the country. a process laid out -- it's not for me to lay out. i'm not a lawyer and accountant. they have to sit down. >> how to explain it to people who aren't lawyer and accountants. >> understood. there are several of these highly iconic properties around the world he has to sit down, go through the same process, not necessarily the same contract but in a similar way. look through them all and figure out what it will take. not as easy as waving a magic waur wand, this is, do this. >> did this catch him off guard? >> of course not. when you own this much. his focus is making sure his cabinet is ready, not just people at the top departments, subagencies, other key players, cia, dni, all of those things making sure he's read on day one. >> you mentioned the cia. does he trust the cia? >> yes. >> then why does he not trust their assessment and say he doesn't believe -- it's that's
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not what he said. what he said was, there was a report coming out of "true papers" making a conclusion that said in part the conclusion of the intelligence collective agencies was that -- >> followed up and said there are politics in the -- >> wait. the conclusion of the intelligence agency was based on the fact the rnc was hacked. fbi backed this up, rnc wasn't hacked. therefore, logically, if that was used to get to the conclusion, the conclusion must be flawed. a simple logic. it's amazing to me for all the talk about this that -- that this is people trying to delegitimize an election which he won overwhelmingly, but also interesting that the conversation that occurred before november 8th was, the government never went out, talked about integrity of the system, no one to involve themselves in the election. the second donald trump wins and coronated person in hillary clinton didn't win, suddenly now everything's called into question. where was the government, all of these folks on the left calling the question prior to november
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8th? >> is the president going to get more than three daily briefings, presidential daily briefings? >> gets one every day. >> but from michael flynn. >> who's his national security adviser. >> why wouldn't he want to get it from the source? >> he does get it from the source. >> michael flynn gets the presidential daily briefing from briefering and michael flynn relays it to donald trump. why wouldn't dronald trump want to get it from the source? >> sometimes gets two, sometimes one. at minimum, from the source every single day. >> why not from the source. >> the national security adviser is the source. >> no. relaying it -- >> every day gets the intel brief fra this national security adviser. this is a semantics thing. >> great to see you g. to see you. >> thanks so much. coming up, one of america's most famous dads, alan thicke passing away suddenly. we'll talk more on this life,
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tv actor alan thicke died, just 69 years old, became popular as the beloved dad of the '80s sit kocom "growing pai" a writer, actor, composer and author. >> what are you doing? >> watching this with some guy and he's not bobby. >> that's none of your -- what guy? >> alan thicke is survived by his wife tanya and his children, brennan, carter and well-known singer/performer robin thicke. we'll be right back.
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